I echo your righteous anger. Unfortunately, I can't offer more than my good wishes to her, as I'm about to become homeless myself (and lose my 'support animal' of sorts, Cleo the cat, who's staying in the apartment with the man I called my husband up until a few hours ago.)

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i posted in your journal.....

i dont suppose there is any reason for you two to actually pool resources? she is south of me. i think thats out of your area????

i am SO bad at "where people live"

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I'm in NYC, which is north of you, so yeah... we might not be able to pool resources (a shame).

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That would be a bit far, since I'm moving to coastal NC. ;)

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well.... obviously you need to stay near job. hmmm
hmmm
if you see anyone else on my list say they have housing issues, check where they live.. maybe ae no?

in the meantime
L A W Y E R.

and hugs

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My condolences. The divorce process sucks. I can say from experience that it is survivable, and there are times when you'll be absolutely amazed at how much life can improve regardless of your relative financial levels. *hugs*

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If she is disabled or someone else is, they need to file a complaint with their state attorney. That would be more effective than anything else.

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she is.
and yes she does need to
but proving things is, at best, time consuming...in the meantime she needs to find housing.... and of course when you are ill, and not at peak strength, is not the time to have added stress..

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Yes I know all that because I too, along with many other people also are going through the same thing.

Just saying the best thing to do when one has been discrimated against is to file with their state attorney. Most have it set up on line so it doesn't take a lot of time, in fact less than posting on LJ.

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oh i am SO sorry to hear that..
well i will pass it on to her. i know a few years back it wasnt online in this state, but that was a few years back

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you are not near NYC are you? because if so you should talk to flyslip..... who is also near there and also losing her place.

i have no idea where people live. none.. very bad at it...

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I plan to, as soon as I can confirm that the story I was given (another agent rented it out) is either true or false. I don't want to go off without a reason.

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i still say file it. that way the time you complained is logged

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*kicks landlords in the shin*

When I look for rentals I do not mention my SD if I can at all avoid it without outright lying.

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I did it in the interest of honesty. One of these days I'll learn honesty comes back to bite me on the butt, without fail.

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Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting you lie... But its not information I would offer without being specifically asked. Personally I don't consider omission a lie... but that can vary between individuals own ethics and morals.

I hope you find a place soon *hugs*

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I am an expert on property and liens. I am not an attorney, I am an auctioneer. The kind of auctioneer people hate 'cause I come in and sell when folks default.

In the future, get the contract on the property first. Read it completely and make sure you understand it. Then commit them to it. Both parties need to sign, you need to stroke them a check, and accept keys.

Now their ass is yours.

Then let them know about the service dog. If they try to squirm out you have them dead to rights and the management company can get a hard education on American's with Disabilities Act law.

Play hard ball with the property managers in the beginning because people in my profession are not driven by sympathy or compassion. We are advocates for our client-which is not you. It's the actual property owner.

Tenants are the enemy, an enemy who gives us money.

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in landlord/tenant relations.... generally speaking you do indeed have to act as though it is , if not "the enemy" at least suspect.

same as when job hunting.... if the HR person talks to you you NEVER mention anything that might cost the company money.... like kids.. or health issues

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Business is war. Kind of like playing 'Risk' with real stakes.

HR is the enemy of the employees. It's their job to prevent unemployment claims from being paid out. When I see you in person next I will tell you a story about how a company fires HR. I can't put it in print.

Anytime contractual negotiations go on, it is like playing chess with real people. No one, not even your own next of kin, can be given even an inch.

I have seen too many times where family lent an adult child money to start a business. The business did well, but because the parents were not in a limited partnership, but held title, they pushed for forced sale because they saw that business as an asset they wanted liquidated for immediate gain. Even though the child wanted to keep running it because....it was their livihood!

Go hard or go home when negotiating. Negotiations are about getting what you want, not making people happy. Well, making yourself happy.

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Thank you! I've been a landlord before, but I was always one of those kind idiots who said pets were fine, so this type of behavior is foreign to me. I'll definitely be more savvy next time around.

Oh, and your icon? I used to be a stripper. It paid for both my education degree and my master's degree. I also made more doing that than I ever did as a librarian!

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laughs
back in my thin days i was a go go dancer.....before all the coke girls with their plastic boobies started working in the bars it was a decent living.. errrr.. an indecent living?

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You are not legally required to do that. Right and wrong are social constructs, you are engaging in a legal contract. The law is the only consideration.

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Sending much healing and blessings to your friend, that her situation improves.

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Thank you!

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I have an axe.

...just sayin'.

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I finally heard that song, and now understand your icon... IT ROCKS!

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*bows* Thank you! I schwinked it from talkstowolves, who has done a whole series of em.

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And I HAVE to wonder just how fast that agent will "Miraculously find" another abode, when the ACLU comes knocking on their door?

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I debated giving them that chance, just walking into their office once I reach town and calmly telling them they could either provide the unit we'd agreed on, a comparably priced unit, or speak to my military-provided lawyer. First I'm going to make sure the agent wasn't being honest with me--for all I know someone else could have rented it out in the 24 hours it took for my husband to ok the whole thing.

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He SHOULD have said something like "Darn it, I'll find you another one as quickly as possible!" or made some sort of noise about getting you a better place at a discount or SOMETHING to indicate he didn't say that purely because you have an S.A.

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So why did she mention the service dog?? Either the dog has people-rights, in which case there's nothing to mention, or the dog is a pet, which is denied by the title service dog. SO the dog has people rights, so what is there to discuss? (I'm assuming a certified service animal here, for justified medical cause.) Enquiring minds, slightly boggled ...

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Actually there is no official "certification" for service animals, according to the ADA. It's weird. My Guinness is largely home-trained (though he is at an official trainer's this week, getting some polish and some distraction work while we stay with friends). Technically, he's a large fluffy piece of medical equipment, providing stability when I walk, giving me a leverage point when I fall, and pulling my wheelchair on the *really* bad days. He fills all of the ADA's requirements for a service animal, so he is one.

I mentioned him because the place has neighbors, and I didn't want someone calling her up complaining that I had a *gasp* dog daring to urinate on the flowerbeds. It seems only right to me that I take the step of being honest in my business transactions--I would have also told her if I were on a noisy treatment machine that might disturb others or require extreme means to access the property, just because I feel the landlord has a right to know.

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::nod:: You mentioned children, too. :) Both mentions are nice of you. Both could have cost you the apt, too. In times like these, it's hard to know. The problem with discriminatory treatment is that it is SO bloody hard to prove ... and as all of us who have been po' for a minute or ten can tell you, rights only count if you've got dollar$ enough to hire the lawyer to enforce them.

So thanks for the explanation -- I can see why you did that, and it was noble and appropriate of you. I'm just sorry it cost you the place. Here's to a better place for all of you!!

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she assumes honesty and also assumes people will behave in a legal and responsible manner.
BTDT had it bite me

LEGALLY it is a non issue. just a case of "just to let you know you may see a dog"

realistically? never mention a service dog, or kids, or anything until th elease is signed

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Thanks for the signal boost, hon. I really appreciate it. *hugs*

Telling the landlord about Guinness may not have been the smartest thing to do, but I still maintain it was the right thing to do. The last thing I want is for one of my kids to get harangued by a neighbor for taking him out to relieve himself, or heaven forfend have some actual downtime when I can't make it out of bed. My 10-year-old daughter has already been called a "joy-riding liar" for returning an electric cart for me at the grocery store--the person who said that thought she was too young to have a disabled mother. Thats scarring enough for a kid, and I hate that they're learning first-hand that parents aren't immortal or invulnerable. The least I can do is make sure that the kids get as little crap as possible by keeping interested parties fully informed.

I have faith that we'll find a place when we move Thursday, one way or another.

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*blinks* You have to be old to be registered disabled these days..? *picks up mind which boggled right out of head at this concept*

The thing is, people shouldn't have problems with service animals. They're service animals! They're trained to help, not chew up furniture! And letting people know that there will be children plus a service animal in the place seems like common sense, as you say - and if they accept children, I can't see why they wouldn't accept service animals..!

I mean, if there was a real issue why they couldn't let you have a service animal there (I'm not sure if there would be any health and safety things which would preclude one from a property that an agent would rent out to a disabled mother..?), that's one thing. If the landlord dislikes animals - they're not going to be living there! I'm guessing you're entitled to 24/48 hours' notice of inspections over there too? If there's a phobia issue, they could ask that the dog not be present when they inspect it (and if they give you time/date flexibility to accomodate that, there's no reason why it would be a serious problem)...

It sucks and makes little sense - I hope it gets sorted out quickly and relatively painlessly!!!

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my dad is deaf. he has a asservice dog who wears her little coat and all....
they have been bared entrance to .......6? resterants (illegal) and at least 4 office buildings... and i dont know how many other places

because most people out there only know "guide dog for blind person"

now MY mom and dad are alert vocal people who have WORKED in the social service industry for years. have been on mayor's commissions for handicapped, etc....so when this happens THEY are loud, and persistent, and have friends thay can call.

also discriminating against a minister looks very bad in the papers.

most of the handicapped folks out there do not have their contacts, their energy, or my mom, the certified interpreter who worked in the biggest regional handicapped services provider....

1. people dont know
2. those that do know often assume you are lying
3. they also know they can get away with it

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first of all.... you should have filed a complaint with the store..... for ADA compliance and for their treatment of your child.
it wouldnt do any good. i know.. but most chain stores and usually most employees HATE to be complained about or written up.

2.
the time to mention the service dog is AFTER you have signed the lease. that way the neighbors can be told. the landlord knows.... but they cant do much about it.. or if they do its easy to prove.
same thing with noisy equipment

your husband needs to not be involved, or be able to work faster.... because that gap in time is going to make it harder to prove.... but

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